25 August 2009

Schapelle Corby -- Insane -- Should She Come Home?


Here is a screen grab (edited thanks to Picnik) from an online survey being conducted on Yahoo Australia.

There have been more than 12,500 responses in just on two days, and 57% of those responses would suggest that the feeling is that Corby should stay where she is.

I wonder whether this means anything?

21 comments:

oigal said...

Perhaps she could run as leader of Golkar, seems they provide interesting post gaol careers.

Rob Baiton said...

Stump...

Vote for me or I will kill you! Or perhaps in Corby's case, vote for me and we can sit around and have a few joints (pass the reefer on the left-hand side) or something.

I thought about making a post about Tommy's ambitions, and then thought, nah. The bloke's not worth it. Besides, Brett over at Spruiked vented enough for me, that I just couldn't be bothered doing one of my own.

lawbs said...

You are in Oz. I think the survey would be biased in someway eg mainly young respondents? Id say most Ozzies dont want to put the boot into her. She has learned her lesson the hard way.

The gal in Malaysia is turning punishment into a mockery. Nicely too.

Rob Baiton said...

Lawbs...

Isn't 57% saying that Corby shouldn't come home putting the boot in?

She has, but it would seem that the lesson is still ongoing.

I don't know if Shukarno is making a mockery of the punishment or the authorities are. I tend to think that she seriously wants to get caned. If not, she has called a pretty good bluff to date.

lawbs said...

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has urged a Muslim model who faces being caned for drinking beer to appeal the sentence and not be "so willing" to accept her fate.

from SMH

this seems "mockerous" to me....

lawbs said...

Sorry. I see Roy Morgan is involved - I guess it might be valid. But one would need more data - I mean one would need to read their free? analysis of the survey. Reliability levels etc

How do they stop machine voting or multiple voting ? Maybe Im out of date on this one.

By the way did you complete the survey yourself??

Rob Baiton said...

Lawbs...

I have posted a separate post on the Malaysian case and the issues that I see. As always, just my personal views on the matter.

I wonder whether it is mockery. But, in any event the PM imposing himself on this one is an interesting turn of events.

Rob Baiton said...

Lawbs...

Yes, I did!

No, I am not saying! :D

Harry Nizam H. said...

Does it mean that efforts to 'move' her will be stopped?

Rob Baiton said...

Harry...

To the contrary, I think the idea is that the report that says she is insane is designed to ratchet up the pressure to bring her "home" to Australia.

I am sure that one of the arguments will be that Indonesia does not want to have her death (suicide) on their hands if they can help it. Therefore, the best course of action is to release her into Australian custody.

I would think that any release would be dependent on certain conditions being met.

Then again, does the Indonesian government really care? Corby is a convicted criminal, and her suffering is in fact the perfect lesson to others. You do the crime, you get caught, you will do the time, and that time is not pretty!

I think she is guilty. I also think that 20 years for smuggling weed was harsh.

This is particularly so, when one considers how much of the wacky weed is moving around Indonesia anyways.

Some people have been sentenced to a mere four years for transporting 100s of kilos of weed from Aceh to Jakarta.

lawbs said...

I saw the discussion on Corby at IM. Dont you think Corbs has a fair bit of go in her - she hasnt confessed (a la Hicks) to get out. Do you think this shows that she is legally insane.

If you dont find this comment here and reply in 24 hours I will haunt you!!

Brett said...

12,000 people care? That's amazing.

12,000 people use Yahoo! That's a MIRACLE!

Rob Baiton said...

Lawbs...

So, you are Suryo Perkoso! Or perhaps Odinius or Brother Mouzone?

I was thinking of letting this comment slide so that you could aunt me at your leisure, but I have too much other stuff to do that a good old haunting can wait a little while longer yet.

Maybe it is indicative of someone who genuinely believes that they are innocent. I think Schapelle Corby (at least she once did) and her family know the score on this one; an admission of guilt would go a long way in reducing the amount of time she spends in jail.

Is she insane for not fessing up? Depends. If she did it, then yes. If she did not do it, then maybe. If I did not do it then I would not fess up. But, with that would be the knowledge that I am going to be spending the better part of 20 years arguing that innocence with no guarantee of release.

This is not an innocence project case that has evidence sitting around that can be tested. The wacky weed at the center of this has since been destroyed (I was going to say smoked, but figured people would get the wrong idea).

So, unless a video tape emerges out of the dark recesses of somewhere that exonerates her, then the game is done on the appeals front.

If she wants out, there is no guarantee the insanity defense is going to work. The shrink in Bali says Corby is doing as fine as one should expect from a young woman staring down the barrel of another 14 years or so in prison (at this moment in time).

So, in the big scheme of things we will only know which shrink is right when either Corby kills herself or gets released.

As I have said all along, the family and "friends" of Corby have drug (no pun intended) this thing out for no real purpose. If they thought the Australian government was going to jump in and publicly "save" Schapelle Corby from the 'evil' clutches of a corrupt judicial system because she said she did not do it, were sadly mistaken.

Unfortunately, for Schapelle Corby this means she confesses and pleads for some presidential good will or she resigns herself to considerably more time in prison.

Although, the caveat here would be, if this insanity deal plays out then the Indonesian government could use it for some good PR. They could facilitate Corby's return to Australia without any specific PTA in place but with some strict conditions on how Corby is to serve her sentence in Australia.

Now, I am guessing this means I am not in for a haunting anytime soon?

Rob Baiton said...

Brett...

Now, now.

Maybe it is even more now :D

lawbs said...

Yep your are off the hook - but I might put you back on if you continue to associate with with that brash character SP.

What, generally, I find interesting (legally)is this: if someone becomes legally insane while doing time then there is no point keeping them in jail. Jail has no purpose for those who are legally insane (when they did the crime) so why should it have one if insanity befalls one in prision??

Rob Baiton said...

Lawbs...

If the hat fits ... just kidding!

To be perfectly honest I do not have the figures / statistics on that point. Although, anecdotally, those who develop or present symptoms of mental illness during their mandated stay in prison, at least, in Australia would generally have access to mental illness resources and would be treated (and probably would not have other prisoners dispensing their medications - at least the legal ones).

My understanding is that if Corby presented as she apparently did recently to the New Idea / Corby family hired shrink to a psych doctor here she would be treated. This would more than likely include placing her in a secure mental ward somewhere for 24-hour observation (seeing there is a suggestion that she is suicidal and has tried at least twice to bleed herself to death).

If she really has regressed to a child-like state then there is no point in keeping her in jail. As the sentence is no longer punishing her in the way that it was intended.

That said, there is also no point in releasing a 32-year-old who has regressed to a child-like state into the general population.

My view is that if all the professional opinions are that the woman is insane, then put her somewhere where her condition can be treated.

If at some point in the future she is fit to return to prison then so be it. If not, once her sentence is done then she is released and hopefully into good care.

Fight 4 Corby said...

I cannot believe people are making jokes about this horrific situation. If Corby was your sister what would you do? Would you jump to your egotistical conclusions then? Or would you fight endlessly to free her from this injustice.

There is clearly deep seeded corruption and powerful people who will stop at nothing not to be exposed.

The Indonesian legal system is nothing but a pitiful bunch of pawns. Look closely at the footage in Ganja Queen, and you will see micro expressions in Corby's translators face, as she tells her that she has been sentenced to twenty years in prison. I do not understand how it would be possible to laugh when someone's fate hangs in the balance.

Words will not suffice, only action will do now. No matter how small, any effort may finally end this tragic nightmare. I am one of an ever growing number of university students who are doing anything that may help. The Indonesian government and all its facets of greed and corruption, cannot hide from justice forever. There is clear, undeniable proof that Corby is innocent. A Canadian court would be able to identify this in a few short hours.

This is as horrifying as it is outrageous, and I plead to you to help take up the fight as though she were your sister.

Rob Baiton said...

Fight 4 Corby...

Thanks for dropping by and leaving a comment. Comments are always appreciated.

I want to start with saying that I admire your passion and conviction that Corby is so obviously innocent.

I, on the other hand, think she is guilty. That said, my position as always been clear; 20 years was too harsh a sentence for the crime she committed. It is too harsh in the context of similar offenses committed in Indonesia and it is definitely much harsher than she would have received for a similar offense in Australia.

Nevertheless, she committed the crime in Indonesia and the penalties for her offense are clear.

If Corby were my sister, then I would fight to see her brought home to Australia. That though has no bearing on guilt or innocence, does it?

Is it an egotistical conclusion to say that she is guilty?

This case is not one where corruption played a significant role. As I have said many times, the people to blame for the harshness of the sentence are those who sort to profit from it; Robin Tampoe, Ron Bakir, and the Corby family themselves. They, one and all, ensured that a bright spotlight was shone on this case from the outset and as such the possibilities of paying off prosecutors and judges disappeared as the spotlight shone increasingly more harshly on the events as they unfolded.

The micro facial expressions of the translator are hardly an indictment of the Indonesian legal system as pitiful or nothing more than a bunch of pawns in a bigger game.

The clear undeniable proof is what? If such evidence existed, then why have Corby and her family, or the succession of legal counsel, not been able to produce it.

The idea that the baggage handlers in Brisbane are responsible is an alternate theory but it is hardly sufficient to say that it is reasonable doubt. The same can be said for fingerprint evidence and the testing of the origin of the weed itself.

The only way Corby will get back to Australia sooner than the expiry of her sentence is to admit her guilt and get some clemency, produce new evidence that exonerates her, or on compassionate grounds because she really is insane.

As I said, I have not seen any evidence that suggests the woman to be innocent. Even if she was my sister the evidence is still not there that she is innocent.

Ivan said...

"Ganja Queen" has just been screened here for the first time in Suriname and I was shocked and disgusted by the whole bloody fiasco.
Someone had to take the fall and I truly believe that the wrong person is left to sit in that god forsaken, cockroach ridden pit.
I do however think that someone in the family is not being honest, about putting the Zock in the bag. The bag that was found was hydroponically grown in someones house or back garden and obviously someone who knew that Schapelle had intentions of flying to Bali..Its sad to think that there are such low lifes around who have'nt got the balls to come forward and own up to all this. You should be ashamed of yourself..
To the president of Australia : Surely you can arrange for this poor girl to be extradited back to Australia ? Clearly there has been an injustice and its your duty and moral obligation as a Statesman to see to this.

Rob Baiton said...

Ivan...

Thanks for dropping by and leaving a comment. Comments are always welcome and appreciated.

Wow, Suriname. The film is certainly getting around.

Interesting insights you have made from having watched the film.

The extraditing her back to Australia is probably not as simple as a phone call between Prime Minister and President. However, I am pretty sure some diplomacy could work on this front. Nevertheless, the history of the case has shown that it has tended to play out front and centre of most newspapers and magazines most of the time. The public nature of the case and how it is discussed makes for difficult, if not impossible, behind the scenes diplomacy to have any real effect.

All the while Schapelle stays where she is.

I am not concerned whether she is guilty or innocent. In the big scheme of things the judicial process has run its course in Indonesia. However, I am supportive of a repatriation to Australia. I believe she has done enough time for the crime she was convicted of committing.

Once she is back in Australia and free, if people want to knock themselves out arguing the evidence over and over again, then they should go for it. However, until the girl is repatriated and free it seems to be a somewhat moot argument.

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