Alan Jones is no stranger to controversy so it is not surprising to see him embroiled in more controversy even though this is something that has been on the horizon since 2005 and never fully resolved. Alan Jones broadcasts on 2GB radio. This is an interesting case and will test the vilification laws and the lengths that elements of the community can go to in order to suppress criticism. It also has the potential to test the bounds of free speech in cases where discrimination has not been made out.
Alan Jones, Lebanese Muslims, Vilification
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6 October 2008 7:41 PM
The problem is Sydney society isn’t very happy with Lebanese Muslims – as was demonstrated at Coogee a few years ago…..
Jones is off the air now, has cancer, and has a big fan base who look back on the old days when Howard was in government and the economy was booming.
Lebanese Muslims have the highest unemployment ratio in NSW, and are VERY over represented in crime statistics. Trad might have a fight on his hands and do more damage than good in picking this fight. -
6 October 2008 8:20 PM
PB...
This is why it is interesting to me.
This will be a test of the vilification laws and an exercise in hair splitting.
I am not sure that you can vilify a religion or an idea. I think you can vilify a race of people and Lebanese would meet the definition of race or be part of an identifiable racial group.
The legal angles interest me as much as the social and political ones. - 6 October 2008 8:38 PM
- 6 October 2008 8:39 PM
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6 October 2008 8:41 PM
Having said all of that, I had a drink with a Lebanese friend just after the Crunulla riots. I made a stupid drunken reference to it, and he looked like he was going to cry. “My mother is worried that I’m out tonight” he told me.
“But you are an Aussie mate” I reassured him.
“So were they…..” he replied. -
6 October 2008 8:47 PM
Oscar Wilde???
Trad is picking a fight based upon one mans on air assertions about an ethnic group.
Just like Oscar he is looking for a fight, and like Oscar the evidence isn’t on his side.
Statistics will show a lot of what Jones said is accurate.
Jones might get his wrist slapped. But once again the media will be full of the unemployment ratios, the crime statistics, the rapes, the drug deals.
Things best left well alone (Like Oscars sexual preferences…). -
6 October 2008 9:14 PM
PB...
This is the thing, isn't it?
Many of Australia's "immigrant" population is no longer immigrant but rather the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or greater, generation of those that arrived on our shores.
Born and raised in Australia and Australian citizens through and through (perhaps similar to the Indonesian Chinese, Indonesian Indians, and Indonesian Arabs).
To be sure there are newer arrivals than this as our current immigration target is some 190,000 so I am lead to believe.
So, aren't we all Aussies in some shape or form?
Yes, on the OW question.
Once again, I am wondering whether the racial vilification laws provide for a truth exception. That is to say, is it the same as defamation in that if you can prove the truth of your assertion then you cannot have defamed the individual or group of individuals.
This is why it is interesting. If the claim proceeds under the Anti-Discrimination Act, and this is the act that contains the vilification provisions, then what is the implication of this approach?
I am printing out and will read the relevant parts later tonight. -
6 February 2009 9:56 PM
Trad is up to his old tricks protecting Islam and trying to claim the moral high-ground. We all know what Jones said is - despite his hyperbole - an accurate enunciation of what has been seen in Sydney and reflects communal feeling. A victory for Trad will shut Jones up, but will provoke resentment in the community. As a consequence, let us say groups if 'Anglo-Celts' start causing trouble then no one in the community can label them. That is by the same reasoning. If you cannot categorise the problem then you lose the power to control it. Trad and the Lebanese Muslim cohorts are aware of this and they keep shifting position, play the victim, and push back on society to carve out their space a little more. But, by now, one should be aware that Trad has no credibility in the community.
Hannibal - 10 February 2009 8:22 AM
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15 February 2009 10:19 AM
Rob Baiton,
I am also interested in the legal question. I was merely providing an overview. It will be interesting to see if a religion has 'inalienable rights' and has to be offered the respect of a person or corporation and granted legal rights. The historical context would say that religion is (personal) belief. But, Islam has a political agenda. I view Trad as moving on that political agenda. I see a convergence of legal questions, political questions and religious questions in the issue. Where does freedom of speech end? Are courts hostage to PC? - 15 February 2009 6:32 PM

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