tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post6330744419220296804..comments2024-03-20T16:19:01.468+07:00Comments on The RAB Experience: State Sanctioned KillingRob Baitonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-4404133322108201032008-06-28T17:40:00.000+07:002008-06-28T17:40:00.000+07:00PB...My take has always been that you do the crime...PB...<BR/><BR/>My take has always been that you do the crime you do the time.<BR/><BR/>I think that harsh prison time is potentially much worse than death. You get to reflect on your crime for a long period of time and you might not ever get the chance to take a deep breath of fresh air as a free person.<BR/><BR/>Nah, I think long and harsh prison sentences are always much better forms of Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-91988676887947631382008-06-28T17:13:00.000+07:002008-06-28T17:13:00.000+07:00A Clockwork Orange -- a personal favourite...A Clockwork Orange -- a personal favourite...Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-34405684567465079212008-06-28T13:14:00.000+07:002008-06-28T13:14:00.000+07:00The nicer side of me says a death penalty is not j...The nicer side of me says a death penalty is not justified for any crime.<BR/><BR/>Notwithstanding that, the alternatives are not nice either. Clockwork Orange type re-education, or hash long term imprisnoment might seem worse than death.The Weary Travellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01552156768798694105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-64731422211482366082008-06-27T17:12:00.000+07:002008-06-27T17:12:00.000+07:00PB...This is the thing. Drug trafficking as I see ...PB...<BR/><BR/>This is the thing. Drug trafficking as I see it is not a crime against humanity in the sense of current definitions of the term. <BR/><BR/>You could probably try and make a case for such a definition but I do not think you would succeed in the current climate.<BR/><BR/>Is drug trafficking bad? Simple answer is, yes. The question though is does it warrant the death penalty being Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-68904693726043941762008-06-27T15:00:00.000+07:002008-06-27T15:00:00.000+07:00In my defence Rob: if Corby had been caught and tr...In my defence Rob: <BR/><BR/>if Corby had been caught and tried under Australian jurisdiction should would be unlucky to get 4 years, with parole she would be out in 3. <BR/><BR/>If the two Nigerians had been caught here they would serve about 5-8 years. <BR/><BR/>The severity of both sentences was because of the disparities between domestic jurisdictions, the same disparities that existed in my The Weary Travellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01552156768798694105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-66441299624571848382008-06-27T14:41:00.000+07:002008-06-27T14:41:00.000+07:00Rug trafficking is a dreadful crime against humani...Rug trafficking is a dreadful crime against humanity. <BR/><BR/>I admit I have been tempted to bring an Axminster into the Iceberg hidden in my suitcase, but thank God sanity prevailed. Who knows what damage would be done to the young Polar Bears if I had. I once remember me and this Chinese girl lying on a rug and……<BR/><BR/>Ehhhhhhh?<BR/><BR/>Ahhh, it was a typo. Doesn’t matter then :)The Weary Travellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01552156768798694105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-16520098316887801492008-06-27T11:14:00.000+07:002008-06-27T11:14:00.000+07:00PB...International law is what it is. How does it ...PB...<BR/><BR/>International law is what it is. How does it apply in national jurisdictions is an ongoing debate that would require a lengthy post of its own.<BR/><BR/>However, the orginial post was one on rug trafficking and whether international law permits the execution of drug traffickers.<BR/><BR/>The arguments here are based on what constitutes the most serious crimes under international Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-29812473825745022302008-06-27T08:54:00.000+07:002008-06-27T08:54:00.000+07:00So Rob, what standing does International Law have?...So Rob, what standing does International Law have?<BR/><BR/>Can it overrule the laws of a state?<BR/><BR/>Who creates these laws?<BR/><BR/>IMHO international law is highly problematic. Let me give you an example. In Australia you can be jailed for having sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of 16, even if that intercourse took place outside of Australian jurisdiction. (This is an attempt The Weary Travellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01552156768798694105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-4973464717386062842008-06-27T02:59:00.000+07:002008-06-27T02:59:00.000+07:00Should read Brimob Polda (Polisi Daerah / Regional...Should read Brimob Polda (Polisi Daerah / Regional Police)...Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-25145827307846893552008-06-27T02:54:00.000+07:002008-06-27T02:54:00.000+07:00The two Nigerians were executed at exactly 00.00 a...The two Nigerians were executed at exactly 00.00 at Nusakambangan.<BR/><BR/>The executioners were from a Mobile Brigade (Brimob) Unit stationed in Central Java.Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-78150887631817688422008-06-26T21:57:00.000+07:002008-06-26T21:57:00.000+07:00Tree...This is a subject that interests the hell o...Tree...<BR/><BR/>This is a subject that interests the hell out of me as well. Mainly for the legal issues as I enjoy the challenge of constructing a sustainable legal argument in the warm and fuzzy area of international law.<BR/><BR/>International law is also often cited as being soft law but I beg to differ and there are considerable amounts of international law that would reasonable classified Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-16966993560304408612008-06-26T21:03:00.000+07:002008-06-26T21:03:00.000+07:00I said my piece elsewhere on the subject. I have v...I said my piece elsewhere on the subject. <BR/><BR/>I have visited people doing very long terms in jail for smuggling drugs. In some cases far more than the Nigerians. Some were just smart asses who thought they didn’t have to follow the rules. Some were desperate for cash.<BR/> <BR/>One young girl is doing a long time for being in a car with her BF. Under her seat, unknown to her (according to The Weary Travellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01552156768798694105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-83395058967466505222008-06-26T20:20:00.000+07:002008-06-26T20:20:00.000+07:00perhaps something similar to a public caning?:pI'm...perhaps something similar to a public caning?<BR/><BR/>:p<BR/><BR/>I'm all for capital punishment, let's start on this one, polygamy bores me and brings about only the trolls..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13453903374418067594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-65628364481868365122008-06-26T17:50:00.000+07:002008-06-26T17:50:00.000+07:00PB...Somehow that does not surprise me!The mind bo...PB...<BR/><BR/>Somehow that does not surprise me!<BR/><BR/>The mind boggles at the thought of what you might have in mind as a deterrent...Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-62547781953955976322008-06-26T17:42:00.000+07:002008-06-26T17:42:00.000+07:00I agree Rob. Shooting them in a quiet corner of Nu...I agree Rob. Shooting them in a quiet corner of Nusakambangan Prison will hardly deter anyone. <BR/><BR/>I could tihnk of better ways of doing it that might deter anyone and everyone.The Weary Travellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01552156768798694105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-31695655864273986402008-06-26T17:28:00.000+07:002008-06-26T17:28:00.000+07:00PB...I do! I was thinking about writing a more det...PB...<BR/><BR/>I do! I was thinking about writing a more detailed / analytical piece on the death penalty in international law as it is not a clear cut case of being prohibited. There are arguable exceptions. <BR/><BR/>It is arguable that the death penalty for drug offences is prohibited under international law. However, this would require one to make a sustainable legal argument that drug Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-32449454449925705822008-06-26T17:22:00.000+07:002008-06-26T17:22:00.000+07:00SNAP again Rob.... :)Do you know anythng about thi...SNAP again Rob.... :)<BR/><BR/>Do you know anythng about this "International Law?<BR/><BR/>I am afraid i was far less objective than you when discussing the issue, and I am very sorry to see two lives lost like this. But we need to eradicate the drug problem.The Weary Travellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01552156768798694105noreply@blogger.com