tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post5658223061350205954..comments2024-03-20T16:19:01.468+07:00Comments on The RAB Experience: The Jakarta Bombings and Democracy...Rob Baitonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-18688564698269355602009-09-30T18:04:46.818+07:002009-09-30T18:04:46.818+07:00Pramudya...
Not surprised!
I was still in Indon...Pramudya...<br /><br />Not surprised! <br /><br />I was still in Indonesia, I think, when he left.Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-70810095281338863982009-09-30T17:20:50.857+07:002009-09-30T17:20:50.857+07:00Hahaha, you might not be surprised that he leaves ...Hahaha, you might not be surprised that he leaves the Majelis Mujahidin Indonesia because he thinks that they are being too democratic.Pramudya A. Oktavinandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296145749782309261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-8395234889841757652009-09-30T17:08:28.350+07:002009-09-30T17:08:28.350+07:00Pramudya...
I was thinking of using the word iron...Pramudya...<br /><br />I was thinking of using the word irony too, but it just seemed like it was something more than ironic. Ironic just seemed to me to be an understatement of the situation.<br /><br />Yes, democracy is evil, but it certainly lets individuals like ABB call westerners maggots, and snakes, and the scum of the earth. So, you would think, that he would think democracy is not all Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-76311772133489393442009-09-30T17:05:32.691+07:002009-09-30T17:05:32.691+07:00Rob, don't expect too much on them. They are s...Rob, don't expect too much on them. They are still using the concept used hundred of years ago. <br /><br />And yes, it is true that it is the power of democracy that allow these crazy thoughts to exist in Indonesia. During the Suharto era, even a man like Abu Bakar Baa'syir was forced to leave Indonesia. And ye, he came back after the fall of Suharto, claiming that democracy is evil. Pramudya A. Oktavinandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296145749782309261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-3123828872567030682009-09-30T16:55:10.028+07:002009-09-30T16:55:10.028+07:00Pramudya...
The question is whether the Caliphate...Pramudya...<br /><br />The question is whether the Caliphate that is being talked about here as a problem solver is a Caliphate of 6th Century origins or 21st Century origins.<br /><br />The Prophet certainly had some issues to confront at the time, and in spite of arguments that the essence of these problems remain the same, the problems of today are considerably different.<br /><br />It is Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-36383075752061252462009-09-30T16:02:59.609+07:002009-09-30T16:02:59.609+07:00I have to agree with you Rob. While it is true tha...I have to agree with you Rob. While it is true that poverty and injustice may support terrorism, we cannot neglect the fact that some kind of brainwashing techniques were used here. You've seen my post on this issue before. <br /><br />You know, I add a person in my FB account as a friend knowing that he is a part of Hizbut Tahrir (this is an Islamic organization which believes that the Pramudya A. Oktavinandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296145749782309261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-25906215594897184282009-09-30T09:53:54.592+07:002009-09-30T09:53:54.592+07:00Harry...
Partly it does. But, let's assume th...Harry...<br /><br />Partly it does. But, let's assume the video shows as it alleges Dwi saying things like "this is an obligation" and the like. <br /><br />I have not seen the video but have noticed some still captures floating around this morning purportedly taken from the video.<br /><br />Then it is not all just about poverty and injustice. It might be, in this particular case, Rob Baitonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05122219639222126602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9136987847943346639.post-9674257707563585922009-09-30T08:18:38.585+07:002009-09-30T08:18:38.585+07:00Rob,
Terrorism can exists because of widespread po...Rob,<br />Terrorism can exists because of widespread poverty, injustice and weak law enforcement. <br />If those reasons can be eliminated or at least minimized there is a chance to eliminate terrorism.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05949573308782388848noreply@blogger.com